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We welcome back Karl Sona to talk about disruptive mindsets and actions that he thinks can “level up” the way people are interacting with one another. He lays out a few interesting ideas, among which are about friction, convergence, and active learning. He believes that friction is our friend and that convergence can bring a lot of positive difference to the world soon.

Karl also believes that active learning is already a form of action, veering us away from the usual shouting and screaming that we’ve probably gotten accustomed to due to the media we consume.

Karl is the co-founder of Streamlined Podcasts, which helps podcasters in producing their shows, allowing them to focus on what they do best: sharing their voices to the world.

Tune in now and learn from Karl how to disrupt the status quo!

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[00:01 – 04:45] Opening Segment

  • Let’s welcome back Karl Sona
  • What’s the “Dear Black CEO Project?”

[04:46 – 15:03] Convergence and Disruption

  • Listen to Karl’s thoughts about homogeneity in the workplace
  • What we can learn from the idea of “convergence”
  • Look at problems as opportunities
    • Karl tells us how
  • We exchange ideas about the people’s notion of friction
    • Friction is our friend
  • How to handle stereotypes according to Karl

[15:04 – 25:06] Active Learning

  • Stop the shouting and screaming
    • What to do instead?
  • Victimhood is a very serious identity
    • How to change the “victim mindset”
  • Learn more about the “Snowball Effect”
  • Active learning is a form of action for Karl
    • He tells us why
  • Karl shares his interesting thoughts about “white guilt”

[25:07 – 36:34] Protecting Your Dignity

  • We talk about how to protect your dignity
  • Join the Conspiracy of Goodness Network!
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  • What we need to have before making generalizations
  • Listen to our exchange about the dangers of mass media and social media
  • Looking at the other person’s “deeper truth”

[36:35 – 46:20] Uncomfortable Positions

  • Karl breaks down how he practices stoicism
  • What people are not conditioned to do according to Karl
  • Why you should put yourself in uncomfortable positions

[46:21- 52:29] Closing Segment

  • The power of having a conversation with people
  • Connect with Karl. Links below
  • Final words and announcements

Tweetable Quotes:

“Disruption ultimately comes from novelty and from just the difference of thought.” –  Karl Sona

“Go slowly and just dare to be courageous. Just dare and lean into it.” –  Karl Sona

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Follow Karl on InstagramFacebook, and LinkedIn and check out his website to learn more about his work. Watch out for his new podcast, Dear Black CEO.

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Dr. Lynda is a dentist, artist, global traveler, and philanthropist who looks for potential and shares it with the world. Hear her latest conversations with thought leaders on the Conspiracy of Goodness Podcast--new episodes every Wednesday!